Messages

Oh...this really makes me sick to my stomach! I have a 2018 waiting for me at the dealer, I don't even have it yet. I researched the heck out of Manufacturers to make this purchase. I went with livivLite based on their past successes. I spent a pretty penny on this brand because of the quality. As a first timer, I am not happy hearing all this. Also, I'm not a handyman. I intend on knowing and maintaining my systems and my trailer, but I do not see myself climbing under and over the unit trying to repair things that shouldn't be improperly installed.  🤢
Karen

Hey, another Marylander!  What dealer you getting it from?  I recommend reaching out to them, as they might not even be aware of the switch.

Obviously LL has a very relaxed final quality control process in place as especially those shavings must be very easy to spot. Perhaps profit margins are very low on these campers?

Anyway, I had two families come to see my 8.0 last weekend on a campground here in Ohio. I advised them to avoid new Quicksilver and look for used units based on what I am reading here. Not that the older models were perfect!

You can see some of the issues with the inside in the video linked below.  I'll have the video covering the undercarriage uploaded this evening, which is the one I think most people are interested in seeing.  I certainly don't expect perfection, but the quality is awful and I'm really upset I purchased a camper with an advertised aluminum floor, but did not receive one.  The dealer seemed pretty upset as well, since LL didn't reach out to anyone to inform them.  I spoke to another dealer this week and they were also not informed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2OZcum6GnI

Found another issue last night:

23.  On the kitchenette, the pictures on the website and brochure show the top, bottom and back edges of the cabinet to be finished off with aluminum edging.  On the 2018, there is no aluminum edging, and the sides are just glued in place, which leave a sharp edge along the cabinet.  The sides of the cabinet have also started to separate from the frame, as there is no aluminum edging to keep it in place.  The metal shavings in the corners of the cabinet are pretty much impossible to clean out, and are stuck in place due to the glue they use to adhere the sides of the cabinet to the frame.

I've reached out to Livin' Lite, as well as the dealer I purchased from.  Livin' Lite requested video or pictures, so I took videos of the issues and provided them today.  I'm waiting to hear from them on a resolution.   

I'm in agreement with smjcolsga that the frame is solid and I can fix some of the quality issues on my own.  The floor......it's a big issue for me.  The rest of the camper seems solid, but the flex in the floor and the look of the material underneath the unit just makes the whole thing feel cheap.  I purchased a Quicksilver hoping to have a camper frame and body which could last for 20 years, and I really don't think this one will come close to that. 

Forgot one.

22) On the bed frames, the corners are pretty sharp I'm afraid they will eventually tear into the tent.  These should be rounded a bit with a grinder to reduce the sharp corners and edges.  I can't see where a grinder or file was used anywhere on my unit.

So I just came on here to see if someone had the same concerns as I do about the 2018 10.0, and I concur with smjcolsga's list.

I just picked mine up 2 days ago and had to drive 8 hours to get it.  I had purchased a 2017 model, but when I arrived to pick it up, it was damaged (fault of the dealer, not Livin' Lite).  The dealer made things right and I got a new 2018 they had just received.  Date of manufacture was June 13, 2017. 

Although Dan Miller and DavidM bring up excellent points regarding water and the aluminum floor, the 2018 floor has some give to it, and I'm very concerned about its lifespan.  An aluminum floor was the #1 factor in my choice on the Livin' Lite over a traditional popup.

I have not experienced smjcolsga's  #4 issue with the table falling, but the table is thick and does not sit flush with the benches.  I share all other points on smjocolsga's list. 

In addition, I also have the following issues & concerns.  I'll pick up where smjcolsga's list leaves off:

7. Looking under the trailer, I don't feel the holes are properly sealed.  They are sealed from the top using a foam sealer, but it does not go all the way through to the bottom, so the bottom side of the holes are open.  I'm not sure what material they use for the floor, but its compact foam with an outer layer that looks like some soft, thin wood like material, coated with some sort of black fabric type material. 
8. The vinyl floor has bubbles by both beds, which I would expect over time, but this one left the factory 6 weeks ago and I've only had it for two days.
9. In the 2017 model, on the inside, there are plastic covers which cover the wheels, one under the table and one inside the side bench.  These covers look to be one piece with a lip and are screwed to the floor, providing a nice seal.  On the 2018 model, the wheel cover and lip look to be two separate pieces and have a gap between them, which is sealed with black foam and it looks sloppy. 
10. When hooked up to an external hose, the faucet is unable to completely turn off, even when using a pressure reducer.  The only way to turn off the water is to put a valve on the outside, or turn it off at the source.  The faucet works fine using the tank, but is pretty much useless for using a hose.  If I need to go outside to turn the water on and off, I might as well just do everything outside and not use the sink.
11. I'm not sure what sink is used in the 2017, but the 2018 has a plastic sink, which does not look to be heat resistant at all.  I wouldn't put anything hot in that sink.
12. I have a model with a furnace.  On the 2017 the air intake has a panel on the outside, and looks to be easily serviceable.  On the 2018 there is no panel and the air intake is just a metal grate which is caulked to the body.
13.  The privacy curtains are completely unusable.  They use fabric straps with velcro, but they were made with the loop on each end, so there is no hook side.
14.  On the bench side of the camper, there is a large window with a canvas layer and a tinted plastic window layer.  There are two sets of lower straps, one for just rolling up the canvas and another for rolling up the canvas and window.  For the canvas, there is a strap on the left and right, but for the window, left strap is not there, so If I roll up the canvas and window, it comes unrolled on the left side.  The straps are sewed into the canvas tent, and I see no way to fix the issue without replacing the entire canvas tent.
15.  When we opened the camper, it was the first time it was opened since it left the factory.  Metal shavings were everywhere.  I would it expect some shavings, but it was obvious the camper was shipped without a quick vacuum or cleanup.
16.  The propane hose from the tank to the distributor underneath the camper needs to be about 3-4 inches longer.  You can tell it's strained and slightly kinked at the distributor.
17.  The propane hose from the distributor to the internal stove goes across one of the corner welds of the frame.  None of the welds were rounded with a grinder and they are very sharp.  In feeling the side of the hose that rests against the weld, I can already feel it getting cut up.
18. The welds on the frame look sloppy.  I'm not a welder, so I can't attest to the strength of the welds, but there was obviously no cleanup with a grinder.  I could be nit-picking a bit on this one as far as aesthetics go, it is a problem with those propane hoses and electrical lines draping over those sharp edges. 
19.  On the kitchenette, I ran my hand down the side, between the unit and the got cut by something.  When I looked down there I found metal shavings sticking out where the upper cabinet meets the frame.  I don't see an easy way to a fix this without taking the upper cabinet apart to separate the cabinet from the frame, so I could easily cleanup the shavings.  I could try to carefully clean it up without taking it apart, but the shavings are sandwiched in there, so I'm afraid I'll scratch up the side of the cabinet trying to clean it up.
20. I also have the air conditioner and am really surprised there isn't a grate on the outside to protect the air fins on the unit.  Adding one couldn't cost that much more.  Again, maybe I'm nit-picking on this one, but I'm going to see if I can add a grate, as the unit sticks out and can easily be bumped into.
21. On the side bench, the padded top is secured with screws from the bottom.  When you sit down you can feel the tips of the screws, so I expect over time, these will eventually puncture through the material.


I fell in love with the 2017, but I'm not so sure I feel the same way about the 2018.  My advice to others looking for a 10.0 is to try and find a 2017 until the 2018 quality control issues are resolved.  I took pictures of everything and plan to call Livin' Lite tomorrow to see if I can get resolution to a few of my issues.