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Hello folks.  I see one of these TC10's for 16K near me and wondered if the truck campers shared the same construction history as the trailers.  Or what construction changes have occurred and when?

Ive read early 2016 trailer models were the last all aluminum exterior (roof/walls/floor).

Is this correct for the truck campers too?  And next question, is how do I know if the camper I'm looking at is early or late 2016.. lol


For Sale / Re: WANTED: 2014-2016 21BHS
January 01, 2019, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: Blujett on August 11, 2018, 11:08:59 AM
Hello. Im looking for a 2014-2016 21BHS trailer. Im located in MN but willing to drive for the right unit/price. Let me know what you have. Thank you!

I was wondering, why did you pick 2014-2016?
General Q & A / Re: Is delamination a issue?
December 31, 2018, 03:37:24 PM
Quote from: DavidM on December 31, 2018, 07:42:12 AM
There is no glue in the wall structure, so any rain water that leaks in around the roof seams would just run down and out with no effect.
Quote from: nhlakes on December 31, 2018, 10:30:08 AM
Manufacturing processed changed in the Thor years. Here are some details on how things were made at some point in 2017.   A year or so earlier they all had aluminum roof/floor/walls.  I have a 2016 CL21RBS that was made in late 2015 and has alum roof/floor/walls with vinyl over the alum floor and some wood trim on the cabinets.

Thanks nhlakes..   That's amazing. But page 51 says fiberglass exterior?

I emailed the owner of the 2013 16DB and was told.. "it is my understanding that is is laminated vacuum bonded aluminum."    I'm not having any luck contacting KZ on the phone about this so far.. ::)

From the look of the pictures on nhlakes link, they laminate using glue, but no wood.   Now my question is, which glue. And why does page 51 say fiberglass?
General Q & A / Re: Is delamination a issue?
December 31, 2018, 06:40:51 AM
Quote from: DavidM on December 30, 2018, 09:01:35 PM
AFAIK, LL walls are aluminum sheet attached to aluminum frame members. Inside there is Azdel attached to the aluminum frame members. The foam insulation is in between the two and not attached.


Thanks David. 

It sounds like from your description that LL walls are built like enclosed trailers and not vacuum bonded?  Iv read about "bonded" and learned manufactures are using water soluble glue due to the epa regulations.

What happens to a LL wall/roof when water leaks in?   Because I'm the buy and hold type of person and from my past experience with a featherlite its not if, but when.. 
General Q & A / Is delamination a issue?
December 30, 2018, 08:01:00 PM
Hi everyone.

Another Camplite came up on my radar and I'm wondering if Livin Lite's 16DB walls were vacuum bonded, mainly the luan part.. Or did they bond aluminum to the foam and frame with a indissoluble glue?

Quote from: DavidM on July 22, 2018, 02:00:14 PM
Since you are talking about a steel frame underneath the Camplite's existing aluminum one, to take the offroad pounding, then only the CL's upper structure has to cope with the offroad loads. That should work as it is a totally welded unit, sheathed in aluminum on the outside and Azdel on the inside with foam insulation in between.

CL's in that size are only 7' wide and all have the wheels internal in wheel wells.

Take a look at this link to a .pdf of factory photos: It looks like it should be possible to cut away the existing main frame leaving only the floor and superstructure. You should look for a pre 2018 model with the aluminum plank flooring to do this. I am not sure that the new composite floor would work with what you plan to do. Also don't get a LL with the composite side walls. Aluminum is stronger! This of course means searching for a used unit. Watch this stie as well as the one for used ones for sale.

This rig with a new steel frame will add probably 500 lbs to the base LL camper's weight, but that probably isn't a problem.

Interesting idea and lots of work to make it happen.


Thanks for the vote of confidence David.

I'm not sure about completely removing the frame because I'm sure the floor and probably the walls are attached to it, as one of its function is being the foundation so to speak..  My idea is to leave the frame and tongue alone, remove the axle and suspension and mount the trailer to my frame as is..  This way, someone could always convert it back to original.

Thanks for the tip about pre 2018 and Livin Lite with the composite side walls.  I'm only interested in narrow tracks and all the livin lite's Iv seen are wider than a truck. 

I found a few camplite's which got me thinking again..  I also noticed palomino makes a off road version which is also a narrow track, but I think it's wood construction..

I will miss the ramp door that my featherlite TH had..  Even if you dont have toy's, they make a great deck or fishing platform..

What I find interesting is the resistance cargo trailer manufactures have building anything over 14' with a single axle..  The palomino 179BHS Im eyeing has a single axle and is 17'

Hello everyone..   :)

I posted here a year ago disappointed about the challenger door blistering problem which led me away from camplite's.   But I'm back, because Iv been searching for a rare 7x16 "narrow track" enclosed trailer to convert into a overland trailer, but it looks like camplite's are all ready a narrow track design and its just a door problem? Right?
Narrow track trailers are 7' wide with the wheels under in wheel wells, instead of outside in fenders.    This narrow track feature is important to me, because I don't want the trailer any wider than my truck on the narrow forest service roads I plan to travel on..

Anyway.  Has anyone taken their camplite's on bumpy rutty forest service roads? How do they hold up?  Wash boarded roads really tear vehicles and trailers up.

  I'm considering a short 11-13' camplite, and would set it on a new longer frame for my motorcycle on the back and bigger water tank on the extended tongue.

Should I keep looking for a narrow track enclosed trailer with the ramp door I really want?   Or do you think a camplite might work out well if I put it on a new frame and axle?

General Q & A / Re: 2013 Livin Lite VRV
May 21, 2017, 12:41:33 PM
If the livin lite or challenger actually replaced these doors under warranty, I might have considered a Livin Lite Quicksilver VRV..   But from what I'm reading, they both hung the owners out to dry, and I'm back looking at a featherlite..

livin lite..  You better get a handle on this and take care of your customers because they demand a ALL aluminum trailer which doesn't hold water and corrode from the inside out.