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rebar

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Is delamination a issue?
« on: December 30, 2018, 08:01:00 PM »
Hi everyone.

Another Camplite came up on my radar and I'm wondering if Livin Lite's 16DB walls were vacuum bonded, mainly the luan part.. Or did they bond aluminum to the foam and frame with a indissoluble glue?

Thanks
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Re: Is delamination a issue?
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2018, 09:01:35 PM »
AFAIK, LL walls are aluminum sheet attached to aluminum frame members. Inside there is Azdel attached to the aluminum frame members. The foam insulation is in between the two and not attached.

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Re: Is delamination a issue?
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2018, 06:40:51 AM »
AFAIK, LL walls are aluminum sheet attached to aluminum frame members. Inside there is Azdel attached to the aluminum frame members. The foam insulation is in between the two and not attached.

David

Thanks David. 

 It sounds like from your description that LL walls are built like enclosed trailers and not vacuum bonded?  Iv read about "bonded" and learned manufactures are using water soluble glue due to the epa regulations.

 What happens to a LL wall/roof when water leaks in?   Because I'm the buy and hold type of person and from my past experience with a featherlite its not if, but when.. 

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Re: Is delamination a issue?
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2018, 07:42:12 AM »
There is no glue in the wall structure, so any rain water that leaks in around the roof seams would just run down and out with no effect.

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Re: Is delamination a issue?
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2018, 10:30:08 AM »
Manufacturing processed changed in the Thor years. Here are some details on how things were made at some point in 2017.   A year or so earlier they all had aluminum roof/floor/walls.  I have a 2016 CL21RBS that was made in late 2015 and has alum roof/floor/walls with vinyl over the alum floor and some wood trim on the cabinets.

https://www.livinlite.com/brochures/2017/Livin-Lite-Plant-Tour-2017.pdf
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Re: Is delamination a issue?
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2018, 03:37:24 PM »
There is no glue in the wall structure, so any rain water that leaks in around the roof seams would just run down and out with no effect.
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Manufacturing processed changed in the Thor years. Here are some details on how things were made at some point in 2017.   A year or so earlier they all had aluminum roof/floor/walls.  I have a 2016 CL21RBS that was made in late 2015 and has alum roof/floor/walls with vinyl over the alum floor and some wood trim on the cabinets.

https://www.livinlite.com/brochures/2017/Livin-Lite-Plant-Tour-2017.pdf

Thanks nhlakes..   That's amazing. But page 51 says fiberglass exterior?

I emailed the owner of the 2013 16DB and was told.. "it is my understanding that is is laminated vacuum bonded aluminum."    I'm not having any luck contacting KZ on the phone about this so far.. ::)

From the look of the pictures on nhlakes link, they laminate using glue, but no wood.   Now my question is, which glue. And why does page 51 say fiberglass?
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Re: Is delamination a issue?
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2019, 03:55:48 PM »
Thanks nhlakes..   That's amazing. But page 51 says fiberglass exterior? ...

Hence my comment about manufacturing changing post Thor.  I think early 2016 models were the last all aluminum exterior (roof/walls/floor).  A 2013 is definitely all aluminum. 

PS: Much of the conversation here moved to aluminumcamperforum.com awhile back.
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Re: Is delamination a issue?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2019, 10:30:31 PM »
I decided to go with the Camplite BECAUSE of the Azdel walls and fiberglass. I had researched travel trailers for some time, and was also concerned about delamination. I have not read anything on this forum about issues with it...unless I missed it. Since there is nothing in my trailer that will soak up water (like wood) there’s little chance for any buckling between materials.
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Re: Is delamination a issue?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2019, 05:50:43 AM »
Since there is nothing in my trailer that will soak up water (like wood) there’s little chance for any buckling between materials.

Exactly- a major cause of delamination IMO is wood swelling when wet.    Azdel and fiberglass don't swell if they get wet.

« Last Edit: April 17, 2019, 05:57:34 AM by ADR »